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		<title>By: Lara</title>
		<link>http://www.ginkgoconsulting.com/blogging/why-free-hosted-blogs-suck/comment-page-1/#comment-7979</link>
		<dc:creator>Lara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 19:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks so much, and have a great time traveling! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks so much, and have a great time traveling! <img src='http://www.ginkgoconsulting.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: hospitalera</title>
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		<dc:creator>hospitalera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 18:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will do, but not before November, off to do a bit of traveling tomorrow, if I don&#039;t come back to you, feel free to nagg me via my blog, SY</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will do, but not before November, off to do a bit of traveling tomorrow, if I don&#8217;t come back to you, feel free to nagg me via my blog, SY</p>
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		<title>By: Lara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 17:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haha SY, that &quot;secret ingredient&quot; is my making post-length replies. LOL
Sorry!

Anyway, I do have my name domain, and am trying to figure out what to do with it exactly just yet. So much other work stuff going on now and I&#039;m really very busy with it all (hence why this blog hasn&#039;t been updated in forever), but I do like your ideas, and thank you.

If you&#039;re ever interested (and have time) to write up a post taking your explanations further in depth, I&#039;ll be happy to post it and give you a link back (haha) with full credit! ;)

Thanks again for stopping by and please keep in touch!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha SY, that &#8220;secret ingredient&#8221; is my making post-length replies. LOL<br />
Sorry!</p>
<p>Anyway, I do have my name domain, and am trying to figure out what to do with it exactly just yet. So much other work stuff going on now and I&#8217;m really very busy with it all (hence why this blog hasn&#8217;t been updated in forever), but I do like your ideas, and thank you.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re ever interested (and have time) to write up a post taking your explanations further in depth, I&#8217;ll be happy to post it and give you a link back (haha) with full credit! <img src='http://www.ginkgoconsulting.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Thanks again for stopping by and please keep in touch!</p>
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		<title>By: hospitalera</title>
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		<dc:creator>hospitalera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 17:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Lara,
Thanks for the very extensive reply. I guess in short we could say that there are different business models available to make money online. I agree, some ad networks will not allow a free blogger blog to participate, others will. And there are always direct ad sales ;-) I go by the old saying of &quot;not putting all eggs in one basket&quot; that is the reason I have different blogs on different platforms that are monetized in different ways ;-) If somebody asks me how to start making money online my advice is normally twofold:
If you can afford it, buy a domain with your name in the url, start a blog (wordpress) and document your make money online journey. But for learning which keywords make the most money, are easy to rank for etc etc Get yourself a bunch of Google Blogs. If you become successful you want to make sure that nobody &quot;cypersquats&quot; (spelling???) your name. But to learn the ropes, try things out, get your feet wet etc etc, nothing beats a bunch of free Google blogs. Ehm, seems your comment section contains a secret &quot;make your commenters write more then they have time for&quot; ingredient. ;-) Sorry, really have to go now, but perhaps you could post one day a follow up post titled &quot;Cases when free blogs DON&#039;T suck!&quot; SY</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Lara,<br />
Thanks for the very extensive reply. I guess in short we could say that there are different business models available to make money online. I agree, some ad networks will not allow a free blogger blog to participate, others will. And there are always direct ad sales <img src='http://www.ginkgoconsulting.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  I go by the old saying of &#8220;not putting all eggs in one basket&#8221; that is the reason I have different blogs on different platforms that are monetized in different ways <img src='http://www.ginkgoconsulting.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  If somebody asks me how to start making money online my advice is normally twofold:<br />
If you can afford it, buy a domain with your name in the url, start a blog (wordpress) and document your make money online journey. But for learning which keywords make the most money, are easy to rank for etc etc Get yourself a bunch of Google Blogs. If you become successful you want to make sure that nobody &#8220;cypersquats&#8221; (spelling???) your name. But to learn the ropes, try things out, get your feet wet etc etc, nothing beats a bunch of free Google blogs. Ehm, seems your comment section contains a secret &#8220;make your commenters write more then they have time for&#8221; ingredient. <img src='http://www.ginkgoconsulting.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Sorry, really have to go now, but perhaps you could post one day a follow up post titled &#8220;Cases when free blogs DON&#8217;T suck!&#8221; SY</p>
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		<title>By: Lara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 17:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SY - You&#039;re right, there are some terms that will have blogger blogs show up. At the time that I wrote this, I did do a couple searches other than &quot;diet blog&quot; and the ones I did do, honestly did NOT have any blogger blogs in the top 5. 

I agree that if your sole purpose is to make money online with the types of ways I&#039;m assuming you are (AdSense, affiliate links, etc), then you&#039;re right - free hosted blogs can be a tool to do that in the way you mentioned. Absolutely.

What I had in mind here though in terms of making money was regarding direct ad sales for the most part. (I should&#039;ve clarified that, yes.) 

If you look at the &lt;a href=&quot;https://advertisers.federatedmedia.net/explore/view/dooce&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;current ad rates for a highly popular blog like dooce.com&lt;/a&gt;, for example:

The minimum cost for a 125x125 sidebar ad (the smallest banner available) from October 6, 2009 to November 6, 2009 is $4049.50. That&#039;s for ONE ad. Now, keep in mind, the site today doesn&#039;t seem to be running these, but one&#039;s left to assume that it&#039;s because people are choosing different ads. But usually, people show a minimum of two of these in their sidebar. 

Okay, so since there aren&#039;t any of those showing, let&#039;s go to the ones that are.

She&#039;s got a 300x250 at the top of her sidebar. The cost for this spot is $6006 per month for the minimum amount of rotations. This works out to $18.20 CPM.

I&#039;ll freely admit, I gave up on AdSense a long time ago after making pennies on it, but I&#039;m pretty damn sure that $18.20 CPM is reallllly good for the publisher, correct?

Dooce runs her ads through Federated Media. They&#039;re pretty exclusive, to say the least, and I know they don&#039;t work with free blogs (and you have to have some really large amount of traffic). So when I say that ad revenue sucks for free hosted blogs? THIS is what I&#039;m talking about.

Now, I know that&#039;s an extreme. Dooce is highly popular, butt-tons of traffic, book deals, talk show visits, etc. But honestly, the basic rate for &quot;everyday&quot; type blogs is $2-$4 CPM. Considering that AdSense is CPC, and affiliate links are CPA - my choice would be to drive traffic to your site in order to get the pageviews so you can 1) Make money CPM style, and 2) Eventually charge more CPM.

It&#039;s not a defunct business model for blogs - it&#039;s one that&#039;s widely used and widely accepted by advertisers in private ad sales.

And thank you for bringing up the sale-able part of it too. Look at BankRate&#039;s purchase of Bankaholic for $15M after it&#039;d only been online 2 years! Now that is some smart thinking, smart SEO, and amazing work all around. John Wu deserves every penny for his genius.

That all being said - SY, thank you for your respectful disagreement. I don&#039;t argue with what you said, I just happened to not make myself entirely clear with the post when I wrote it. (And I didn&#039;t highlight the other terms I had looked at - I picked one that relates to a blog niche that I happen to own a blog in.)

I&#039;m thinking of starting up a few case studies so I can use that material for posts in the future. Thanks again for stopping by and participating in the discussion!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SY &#8211; You&#8217;re right, there are some terms that will have blogger blogs show up. At the time that I wrote this, I did do a couple searches other than &#8220;diet blog&#8221; and the ones I did do, honestly did NOT have any blogger blogs in the top 5. </p>
<p>I agree that if your sole purpose is to make money online with the types of ways I&#8217;m assuming you are (AdSense, affiliate links, etc), then you&#8217;re right &#8211; free hosted blogs can be a tool to do that in the way you mentioned. Absolutely.</p>
<p>What I had in mind here though in terms of making money was regarding direct ad sales for the most part. (I should&#8217;ve clarified that, yes.) </p>
<p>If you look at the <a href="https://advertisers.federatedmedia.net/explore/view/dooce" rel="nofollow">current ad rates for a highly popular blog like dooce.com</a>, for example:</p>
<p>The minimum cost for a 125&#215;125 sidebar ad (the smallest banner available) from October 6, 2009 to November 6, 2009 is $4049.50. That&#8217;s for ONE ad. Now, keep in mind, the site today doesn&#8217;t seem to be running these, but one&#8217;s left to assume that it&#8217;s because people are choosing different ads. But usually, people show a minimum of two of these in their sidebar. </p>
<p>Okay, so since there aren&#8217;t any of those showing, let&#8217;s go to the ones that are.</p>
<p>She&#8217;s got a 300&#215;250 at the top of her sidebar. The cost for this spot is $6006 per month for the minimum amount of rotations. This works out to $18.20 CPM.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll freely admit, I gave up on AdSense a long time ago after making pennies on it, but I&#8217;m pretty damn sure that $18.20 CPM is reallllly good for the publisher, correct?</p>
<p>Dooce runs her ads through Federated Media. They&#8217;re pretty exclusive, to say the least, and I know they don&#8217;t work with free blogs (and you have to have some really large amount of traffic). So when I say that ad revenue sucks for free hosted blogs? THIS is what I&#8217;m talking about.</p>
<p>Now, I know that&#8217;s an extreme. Dooce is highly popular, butt-tons of traffic, book deals, talk show visits, etc. But honestly, the basic rate for &#8220;everyday&#8221; type blogs is $2-$4 CPM. Considering that AdSense is CPC, and affiliate links are CPA &#8211; my choice would be to drive traffic to your site in order to get the pageviews so you can 1) Make money CPM style, and 2) Eventually charge more CPM.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not a defunct business model for blogs &#8211; it&#8217;s one that&#8217;s widely used and widely accepted by advertisers in private ad sales.</p>
<p>And thank you for bringing up the sale-able part of it too. Look at BankRate&#8217;s purchase of Bankaholic for $15M after it&#8217;d only been online 2 years! Now that is some smart thinking, smart SEO, and amazing work all around. John Wu deserves every penny for his genius.</p>
<p>That all being said &#8211; SY, thank you for your respectful disagreement. I don&#8217;t argue with what you said, I just happened to not make myself entirely clear with the post when I wrote it. (And I didn&#8217;t highlight the other terms I had looked at &#8211; I picked one that relates to a blog niche that I happen to own a blog in.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m thinking of starting up a few case studies so I can use that material for posts in the future. Thanks again for stopping by and participating in the discussion!</p>
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		<title>By: hospitalera</title>
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		<dc:creator>hospitalera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 16:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some good, and some not so good information here. I am using actually both, free and self-hosted blogs. There is one major drawback with free blogs that you haven&#039;t mentioned and that is that you can&#039;t sell them. Now, back to what is not correct: Noting beats a free wordpress.com blog for seo and easy rankings! As you are not allowed to make money from them, and Google &quot;knows&quot; that, they are actually really easy to rank for your favourite keywords. So if your main niche is &quot;dogs&quot;, set up a general doggy blog on Wordpress.com and mention your other sites from time to time in your posts, that is called &quot;writing your own backlinks&quot;. Blogger, you wrote &quot;I can almost say with 100% certainty that you can’t come up with a phrase that will have a free hosted blog in the top 5.&quot; If you search for &quot;make money online&quot; on Google, you will find at least two blogger blogs on the first page and this is a highly competitive niche. Free and self-hosted blogs are both TOOLS, you have to know how and when to use them. I make money with my self-hosted wordpress blog and with my free blogger blogs ;-) SY</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some good, and some not so good information here. I am using actually both, free and self-hosted blogs. There is one major drawback with free blogs that you haven&#8217;t mentioned and that is that you can&#8217;t sell them. Now, back to what is not correct: Noting beats a free wordpress.com blog for seo and easy rankings! As you are not allowed to make money from them, and Google &#8220;knows&#8221; that, they are actually really easy to rank for your favourite keywords. So if your main niche is &#8220;dogs&#8221;, set up a general doggy blog on Wordpress.com and mention your other sites from time to time in your posts, that is called &#8220;writing your own backlinks&#8221;. Blogger, you wrote &#8220;I can almost say with 100% certainty that you can’t come up with a phrase that will have a free hosted blog in the top 5.&#8221; If you search for &#8220;make money online&#8221; on Google, you will find at least two blogger blogs on the first page and this is a highly competitive niche. Free and self-hosted blogs are both TOOLS, you have to know how and when to use them. I make money with my self-hosted wordpress blog and with my free blogger blogs <img src='http://www.ginkgoconsulting.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  SY</p>
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		<title>By: mccormicky</title>
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		<dc:creator>mccormicky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 09:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I find puzzling is the acceptance of the discrepancy between main web site design and an externally hosted blog. You&#039;d think people would not want this mix and match vibe attached to their business site. I always say professionalism equals trust -  mix and match is not professional looking.Of course you make a good point: they can&#039;t make design changes until they upgrade and why pay for that if they can spend as much on their own hosting?

Many blogs hosted by blogger or wp that are ignored by search engines might be because the user puts very little work into them. Often there are only a few short posts spread around several months. The topics you mentioned have great competition in the SE&#039;s 


Then you have the people who paid someone to build them a static site and tacked the blog link on because they wanted to get in on blogging for the $.

 -- it is not just a matter of the tool itself being the reason they aren&#039;t succeeding -- a blog is work whether on blogger or self hosted. If someone&#039;s main reason for keeping a blog is for the monetization and not because they really want to write they will probably fail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I find puzzling is the acceptance of the discrepancy between main web site design and an externally hosted blog. You&#8217;d think people would not want this mix and match vibe attached to their business site. I always say professionalism equals trust &#8211;  mix and match is not professional looking.Of course you make a good point: they can&#8217;t make design changes until they upgrade and why pay for that if they can spend as much on their own <a href="http://www.ginkgoconsulting.com/recommends/godaddy" style="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" onmouseover="self.status='http://www.ginkgoconsulting.com/recommends/godaddy';return true;" onmouseout="self.status=''">hosting</a>?</p>
<p>Many blogs hosted by blogger or wp that are ignored by search engines might be because the user puts very little work into them. Often there are only a few short posts spread around several months. The topics you mentioned have great competition in the SE&#8217;s </p>
<p>Then you have the people who paid someone to build them a static site and tacked the blog link on because they wanted to get in on blogging for the $.</p>
<p> &#8212; it is not just a matter of the tool itself being the reason they aren&#8217;t succeeding &#8212; a blog is work whether on blogger or self hosted. If someone&#8217;s main reason for keeping a blog is for the monetization and not because they really want to write they will probably fail.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 01:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way ... pretty website!</description>
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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 01:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve just moved my Blogger blog into my website, and I agree with you. However, I have an old blog at Xanga (an old free blog host)which is high on p. 1 of Google for many searches. I&#039;m about to move it (for the sake of control, freedom, etc., but I know I&#039;m going to lose all my great search results when I do. I&#039;ll have to start over and rebuild. And that&#039;s a great reason to start your blog at your own domain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve just moved my Blogger blog into my website, and I agree with you. However, I have an old blog at Xanga (an old free blog host)which is high on p. 1 of Google for many searches. I&#8217;m about to move it (for the sake of control, freedom, etc., but I know I&#8217;m going to lose all my great search results when I do. I&#8217;ll have to start over and rebuild. And that&#8217;s a great reason to start your blog at your own domain.</p>
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		<title>By: Heather Floyd - Web Developer for Sole-proprietors</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heather Floyd - Web Developer for Sole-proprietors</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 22:12:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Preach on, sister! This is information I try to share with my clients and people I meet, but your post sums it up nicely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Preach on, sister! This is information I try to share with my clients and people I meet, but your post sums it up nicely.</p>
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